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iplofallen
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I couldnt believe what I seen when I logged into IR.NET yesterday. There for all to see was an out and out attack on our fallen comrades from a contributor to that site. He had the balls to sit behind his keyboard and label our dead friends "vermin". This attack on the lads memory was allowed to stay online for a number of hours before eventually being removed after many protests at its inclusion on the boards there. IR.NET portrays itself as an open debating form that is inclusive of all Republicans. They also profess to only encourage constructive debating. If this is the case why was the scurrilious attack on our friends allowed to satay up on the boards for so long. Why did they not move earlier to remove the offensive postings, and as I write the poster of the remarks is still a member of that forum. I wonder would that be the case if the attacks were on dead PIRA members?

IR.NET is a good forum for Republicans to engage in debate. It can only be continued success if they stick to the premis that they are inclusive of all Republicans. Their failure to tackle the offensive material quickly and decisivley lends itself to be seen as being partial and not sticking to their own forum rules. This should be noted by all who post and are members of that site.

Maybe IR.NET are in the process of deciding of what sanction they should take against the vile attack. No one can police the thoughts of others. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am just suprised and saddened that IR.NET gave someone a platform to denigrate Dead Vol's, and did not move quickly to remove the postings.

December 28, 2009 at 4:00 PM Flag Quote & Reply

socialist95
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the vile attacks were insulting...i understand seamus may have lost friends in the fued....but we all did and some have spent years building bridges mostly quite successfully..time to draw a line in the sand of the past and to promote a socialist 32 county republic for which all our dead espired for no matter what platform they used at the time to achieve thier aims the loss of vols in the inla/iplo was no lesser than pira/oira etc..lessons have been learnt..we grieve for them all.

December 29, 2009 at 7:44 AM Flag Quote & Reply

iplofallen
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Article: My Brother is not Vermin

This Christmas I, like many others went to my Mum's for dinner. Nothingunusual in that, but after dinner we went into the living room to havea Craic and chew the fat, catching up on all the old stories we haverecalled many times, but still make us laugh. One family member lookedon, but did not participate in the merriment. He looked on from abovethe fireplace, where his portrait now hangs. He hever grows old, hisexpression is perfectly captured in watercolours by a POW in the HBlocks in 1991. After dinner my Mum went to the graveyard to tend hisgrave, like she does every week, the only difference this week is that she adornes his resting place in a holly wreath. Her heart was broken when he was murdered nearly 20 years ago now, he leaves a void that will never be replaced.

Even though 20years has passed since he was murdered, She has never rested in her quest for the truth in relation into who killed him and why. This dedication has single handley uncovered that the RUC Special Branch were complicit in his murder, a member of the FRU participated and It has also forced the PIRA into the previously unheard of retraction and apology in 2005 for their part in his murder. She still proceeds forward in holding those who killed him to account. She will never give up in this quest, regardless of how uncomfortable this might be for some. She is a credit to her son, her maternial instincts, coupled with her desire for justice will see to that.

Her Son, My Brother, dedicated his short life to the Armed struggle.From throwing stones as a teenager, he evolved into a dedicated Gurellia fighter who regularly engaged the enemy. He was fearless in battle. He read constantly about our history, and anyone who knew him will, without question, tell you he was one of the best. A dedicated Republican all his years on this earth. This all came to an end nearly20 years ago when he was killed by British agents who had infiltrated the PIRA in Newry. His murder was a particular sorry episode in Republican history in Newry that sickened all who know about it. He was a member of the IPLO when he died

A few days ago on IrishRepublican.NET, a contributor to that forum labelled my brother "vermin". When asked to retract the comment or qualify his statement, his retort was that he stood by his comments.The accusations remained on the forum for some time, when after many complaints it was removed. The person who called my brother "vermin" is still a member of that forum.

The moderators have moved the thread to their own section to debate and consider it. Nearly two days later, I ask them, what is there to consider? This person insulted my brothers memory, and many others. His comments caused distress at Christmas to all the families of fallen IPLO Vol's. Would this have happened if he was a member of the PIRA or the INLA? My brothers blood ran as red that night he was killed as anyother Vol's who made the ultimate sacrafice during the struggle.

I will tell my children all about my brother, and the dedicated Republican he was, and of his sacrafice. I wont hesitate in this like some of the MOD's of IR.NET. People who can call my Brother Vermin should not be allowed on a Republican discussion forum. Regardless of that, all who knew my brother will testify that he was a true Republican and a gentleman. We have never sought the blessing of the MOD's of IR.NET in this respect. It is still sad that they hesitated in their dealing withthais matter..

 


December 29, 2009 at 4:52 PM Flag Quote & Reply

irish32
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This written above is sad especially at Christmas time.  I do feel sorry for this person who has written this above.  Some people just don't realise the hurt they inflict on others in the things they say.  Republicans are republicans which ever group they belonged to.  Maybe this Seamus guy has been hurt in the past and felt the need to air his views, but socialist95 is right....it is time to make peace within republican circles to make a better future.  Like I said at a previous time that republicans do need to leave the past behind and unite to look forwards, which is very hard for some of them due what they have been through and the injustice they and their families have served.  The one true fact is that no one can change the past, but we can change the future to a better one...easy said than done I know, but I have hope and faith in the Irish people that they do want better lives whether they are Nationalists, Catholics, or Republicans.

December 30, 2009 at 8:50 AM Flag Quote & Reply

irish32
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I just wanted to add that I didn't see the post's from Seamus.  When I logged in the forum it had been locked for the owner to review it.  Sadly there are still a lot of angry republicans out there that are still angry at the past, and believe me I have had my head bitten off a few times for putting my foot in it.  I do remember a PIRA man (not sure if he was one of the ones freed on the GFA) on TV being interviews about the troubles.  He was in Cork for this interview.  He was asked what makes a young Irish man join the IRA apart from wanting his country free from the British.  His reply was most young Irish men that join have tragic pasts...for example a loss of one or more relatives through their young lives due to the troubles.

December 30, 2009 at 10:29 AM Flag Quote & Reply

irish32
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This is part of the post from this Seamus guy posted today from that forum:

 

"To conclude, I repeat that my reference to the IPLO as being vermin was made about the organisation as a whole, an organisation that contained rapists, sectarian gunmen and drug pedlars. I acknowledge that members of the organisation in Newry were acting honourably and fought a war against the Brits and apologise to anyone associated with the dead volunteers from that area, as clearly my posts gave offensive and I sincerely regret that.

 

However, I believe my comments were justified with regard to the actions of the Belfast based leadership and those members who carried out a murderous assault on the Irish Republican Socialist Movement."

 

To my surprise a few friend's of mine had read those posts and are at present squeezing an apology out of him although he still stands by what he said.  He claims on there that one of my friends called him an informer, and I think that might be why he wrote it in the first place.  I didn't post the whole of his post up because it is still offensive.  iplofallen, I will understand if you choose to delete this post for the sake of the IPLO Volunteer's relatives that might come across this Website and get offended with what is written. 

December 30, 2009 at 11:39 AM Flag Quote & Reply

iplofallen
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Hi Ali, thanks for your input. Seamus who posted those comments is a pretty sad individual. Even when he made the apology on IR.NET he tried to justify his comments with the attack on the IPLO. I understand Seamus may still be bitter about the events of 87. But he fails to paint the whole picture. His drugs and criminality allegations against the IPLO, are the exact same allegations that have recently been leveled to the INLA.

He talks about the IPLO being vermin, yet that same allegation could be leveled against those who murdered Seamus Ruddy, and hid his body never to be found.

The same could be said about those who lured Tommy Maguire to his death.

The same could be said about those who tortured and eventually killed and mutilated Tony McCloskey.

But you are right Ali, its time to move on and rember our fallen, while striving to achive the goals they died for. I will not stoop to the level of Seamus. All death is to be mourned. We accepted his apology as we think that the spectale of making unfounded allegations against any dead comrades is beneath contempt.

Happy new year Ali. I will be in touch soon., Take care...

December 30, 2009 at 3:35 PM Flag Quote & Reply

irish32
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Thanks iplofallen, I think this Seamus guy has upset a lot of republicans today and the lastest thread today has been close.  I guess the past has affected him more than some others and he hasn't or he is not ready to let go, which has left him bitter.  I have come across a few republicans like him over the years that are very sensitive about past issues.  Yes, he sort of apologised and it was accepted by the others on the forum and it will also be passed on to the families.  It seems that it is the Belfast IPLO that he is against.  Many terribles things happened during those years by everyone...RUC, British, Loyalists, and Republicans all have killed during the troubles for reasons that they now know was wrong, but didn't know at the time.  So to single out the IPLO and attack them is unfair.  You're right a republican is a republican and all should be remembered so they can rest in peace.  It is hard when its your friends that have passed on that are accused of things, but you did the right thing by staying above it and not getting into an argument.  Lets hope this experience will give Seamus a rethink about what he has said as he will realise now (from reading his lastest post) that many republicans didn't agree with him as he thought they would.  Don't let it upset you and have a great new year! 

December 30, 2009 at 7:08 PM Flag Quote & Reply

socialist95
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i posted this last bit just to show that the suffering of republican socialists wasn't just confined to former comrades in the RSM but to us all who wouldnt tow or believe in the provo eliteism..we all suffered..the morley situation mirrored what happened to willie gallaghers mum.. they PRM were wrong about us!

The Wrong kind of Republican?

What can happen if you dare to differ

History, its said, is written by the victors. In the case of the Provisional movement, who cant claim victory, history, it seems, is there to be manipulated.

 6 November 2006

While reading an article on The Blanket recently, I couldn't help but draw similarities to the treatment the Gallagher family received at the hands of the Provisional movement, and that which befell my own family. My mother met a similar fate to Granny Josie when I was in jail charged in connection with shooting a RUC man and a British soldier in Newry. The prison transport provided by the PDF was never available to her because I was charged with an IPLO operation.

It wasn't always like that. In the early part of the struggle, the various republican factions, regardless of their differences, often pooled resources, as in the case of the Green Cross committees at the time. The Provisional Movement's policy of "undermining and absorbing" Republican Socialist prisoners is a shameful act that deserves exposing. In the Adams camp's push for power in the 70's, anyone who didn't fit their agenda was ruthlessly undermined and marginalised, a policy that was used (very effectively), throughout recent history. A case in point is that of my father Davey Morley.

Davey has been almost airbrushed out of republican history because the Adams camp didn't agree with his leadership in jail, supposedly because of his stance on discipline within the camp; but the truth of the matter is that Adams tried, and failed, to oust Davey by running Ivor Bell against him in the election for camp O.C. This ploy failed, as in a free vote prisoners voted for Davey as the popular choice. It's the only time any of the Adams camp has ever been defeated in an internal election. Maybe this has had a bearing on why such ballots are non-existent within the Provisional movement nowadays.

Davey Morley was well respected within the republican community. Before the start of the present "troubles", Davey enlisted in the British Army where he was a drill major, an accomplished sniper who won cups and medals for his skill. This stood him well in the early days before his capture on the 24th of Feb. 1974. His favourite weapon, a sniper Lee Enfield bolt action, was put to good use more than once. A competent explosives man, Davey preferred the cortex method than electrical detonation.

He was very active from 1969, where he worked with notable republicans like Martin Meehan, Joe Rafters, 'Dutch' Doherty, and 'Cleaky' Clarke. Davey was, in Meehan's words, "a top operator", and top of the most wanted at the time, even after arrest and capture holding prison staff hostage in a failed escape attempt from Armagh jail in March 74, before becoming a protégé of Billy McKee, who seen fearless leadership skills in Davey.

He fought gallantly with his men in the burning of the camp on 15 Oct 74. Davey died an untimely death on 6 June 1987, at only 46. Many have commented that this could have been due to the use of the CR gas on prisoners at the time. Local Sinn Féin councillor Brendan Curran went to Davey's wake and asked for a photo of him to do an article in AP/RN, which was never carried. A life long republican commitment ignored because it didn't suit the Adams camp. Davey Morley was airbrushed from republican history.

When Davey's co-accused Gerry 'Groucho' Marks died (RIP) shortly after Davey, the death got a half-page mention in AP/RN —rightly so, he was another skilled and committed Volunteer— it was almost like a slap in the face for the family that Davey didn't get a mention.

The only mention he gets now is derogatory comments from Gerry in some book or another. Strange that it took Gusty Spence in his book to say, "Davey was light years ahead of the leadership at the time." Oddly they had a good working relationship, with Gusty doing his part to try to get the Brits to stop brutalising the men after the '74 burning. But yet it seems that Gerry tries to castigate Davey at every opportunity in his various books about his time in Long Kesh.

Davey Morley was a true republican; so was his son Eoin Morley. Eoin was murdered by British agents masquerading as PIRA members in April 1990. Eoin served the republican cause well, as an operator for the PIRA and later the IPLO. When our family approached the Provisional movement at the time with our evidence that those who killed Eoin were British agents, they didn't want to know. They would rather let these agents continue on their treacherous ways than confront the truth. Time has now proved us right, but maybe to the Provisional movement, Eoin, like Davey before him, didn't fit the bill, and was considered "the wrong kind of republican".

 


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